Curiouser and Curiouser! on ted-nelson http://matt.blogs.it/ RSS feed for topic ted-nelson Copyright 2006 Matt Mower Squib/0.1 self@mattmower.com self@mattmower.com en-gb Ted Nelson at Hypertext 2003 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:46:36 +0100 <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P>Ted Nelson @ Hypertext 2003. Here in Nottingham at Hypertext '03.&nbsp; <A href="http://www.ht03.org/keynote-ted.html">Ted Nelson is up to talk</A> about the computer science's obsession with emulating paper and hierarchies.<BR></P> <UL> <LI>"you should only have to type in a thing once" -- easy record keeping, nothing lost <LI>Driven by overlapping categories. How to represent variations on bull fighting (mex, span, mycean)? <LI>Why can't you trasnclude texts like images in www? <SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">But you can with external script files and document.write.</SPAN> <LI>And the payoff, <A href="http://vlit.mozdev.org">http://vlit.mozdev.org</A> - a mozilla based attempt to enable arbitrary content level linking. <LI>transclusion is every santa claus at xmas times sharing knowledge</LI></UL> <P><BR>[<A href="http://surfmind.com/musings/">Surf*Mind*Musings</A>]</P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I've always had a soft spot for Ted.&nbsp; I'd love to see him speak.</P> http://matt.blogs.it/entries/00001607.html Permission based posting Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:13:18 +0000 <p>Just a couple of follow-on thoughts...</p> <p><ol><li>If a feed is copyright, does that mean an aggregator should not collect it? Is this <em>reproducing</em> the work? (How is it different, for example, from downloading pirated software?)</li> <li>What does it say when an author asserts copyright of material, but publishes it in an RSS feed? The Creative Commons licenses grant rights to the recipient. Copyright (AFAIK) does not.</li> <li>Does it matter what type of aggregator it is? For example <a href="http://www.evectors.com/itkcollector/">K-Collector</a> aggregates in a different way (and for a different purpose) to, for example, <a href="http://radio.userland.com/">Radio Userland</a> or <a href="http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/">NetNewsWire</a>.</li> <li>If it aggregates a feed, should it prevent you from re-posting aggregated content? In Radio this is very easy, I can click a button on a post in the aggregator to use it as the basis for a post to my own weblog. If an item is copyright should it stop me doing that?</li> </ol></p> <p>I think this draws us awfully close to the kinds of things Ted Nelson was thinking about when he outlined his vision for transclusion based publishing. I can almost envisage a system where, when I press the post button on a copyright item, my aggregator goes off to check with the original authors system for permission to publish. You could imagine using the data from a social network to decide who can republish your content with your permission.</p> http://matt.blogs.it/entries/00001860.html Licensed to aggregate (pt #3) Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:10:14 +0000 <p>Just musing out loud...</p> <p>The HTTP protocol specifies headers which clients can supply in a request to control what a server can return to them. One in particular is the <em>accept</em> header. Which looks something like: <blockquote>accept:text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1</blockquote> so there is already a simple model available for delineating content types. I am thinking of something along the lines of: <ul> <li><rights apply="*" scope="http://matt.blogs.it/*" grant="read" copyright="Copyright 2004 Matt Mower"/> <li><rights apply="text/xml,application/xml" scope="http://matt.blogs.it/*" grant="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/nd-nc/1.0/"/></li> <li><rights apply="image/gif,image/jpeg" scope="http://matt.blogs.it/images/*" grant="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/1.0/"/></li> </ul> </p> <p>I'm not sure whether this is something that should be embedded in an RSS feed or referenced from another location (since it is potentially applicable to the blog as well). Other questions are: <ol><li>Should it be extended to handle specific identifiable resources?</li> <li>To whom are these rights granted?</li> <li>Do we have the right set of rights to be granted? (cf my use of <em>read</em> above.)</li> <li>Is the creative commons URL per scheme approach the right one?</li> <li>Can we come up with a similar scheme for copyright & public domain?</li></ol> </p> <p>It occurs to me that it might be possible to link a scheme like this to <a href="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/">FOAF</a> and use a service like <a href="http://peopleaggregator.com/">PeopleAggregator</a> to create the publishing/sharing relationships. This moves much closer to Ted Nelsons Transclusion publishing concept.</p> http://matt.blogs.it/entries/00001874.html Transclude this Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:28:23 +0000 <p>Ted Nelsons <a href="http://www.cni.org/docs/ima.ip-workshop/Nelson.html">transclusion publishing</a> concept.</p> http://matt.blogs.it/entries/00001875.html